The Squamidian Report – Jan. 23 / 10

 

Issue #400

 

Including:
Carol & Al
From Lorne
North Nova News
A Note From the Gilmour’s
A Note From Barb & Russ
Down Under
From Sue
From Ron & Maggie

The Ontarion

 

Hi All,

 

Well, here we are. I know I sure didn’t expect this little letter to still be around for number 400 when I started sending it out back in 2002. I guess it just shows I don’t have all that much to do on any given Friday evening or early Saturday morning.

 

In case anyone has ever wondered, there are currently just about 35 people on the mailing lists. Over the years it has been higher, and it has been lower. There are actually 2 lists. The main list goes out with everyone in the ‘To’ field and therefore everyone on that list receives any ‘replies to all’ type peripheral chatter and can see all the other recipients on the list. The second list I call the ‘quiet’ list. This one I also sent to myself as well, and the others on it are BCC’s. Blind carbon copies means that each of those gets their copy privately and no one can see them and they can’t see anyone else. They do not receive any group chatter should there be any. Anyone is more than welcome to be a member of this little newsletter, all they have to do is ask to be included. And that’s the only catch, they have to ask or have someone ask for them so that I do not end up spamming them. Unwanted Email is after all, SPAM. And for that matter, if anyone wants to be taken off the list, just ask. I do not want to be sending anything to someone who does not want it.

 

As most of you probably know, all the past issues of the Squamidian are available on my web site. Archived for posterity if you will, or just a silly way playing with my web site. Hard to say but they are all there. I post an HTML version of each issue right after I send out said issue every Saturday morning. The link to the current one is at the top of each letter. I know a couple of readers prefer the web version because everyone’s computers display the Email letter differently and they can more easily read the web version. The Squamidian report section of my site is folded in with the rest of my site, which is mostly about motorcycle trips and adventures. There is another section of my site devoted to pictures of and from friends and family. If you’ve ever poked around in any of these areas you might have noticed that I take great care to protect the identity of everyone shown or referred to. Personal security is always of utmost importance.

 

Here’s a couple of interesting statistics relating to my web site for the past year, 2009. The site as a whole was visited 11,537 times. During those visits, 21,774 pages were viewed. The Squamidian Report section of the site received between 7 and 10 visits per week that I know of. I’m not sure if it is a 2 or 3 people doing several visits each or if it is 10 people visiting once. No way to tell but I somehow doubt it’s the same person each time.

 

Anyway, I’m glad each and every reader has come along for the ride or part there of. Wouldn’t be much point in writing week after week if no one was out there reading. And I’d really like to thank Greg. He came on board in the first year and has written every week since. It would never have been the same without him. If you’ve ever wondered why Greg’s column is always placed last in the newsletter, I’ll tell you the reason. I use his Ontarion and my Report as bookends. Therefore, whenever someone else sends in something to be included in the Squamidian, their input is nestled in between our anchor columns, and if there is more than one contribution they are inserted in the order I reviewed them. It just that simple. Again, thanks Greg.

 

Now, I’ve bored everyone enough. On with the show.

 

doug

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Carol & Al

 

Doug’s rant against the Olympic bigwig decisions causing such difficulties for the locals is quite understandable.  Part of the problem is each country keeps trying to outdo the country that ran the Olympics the time before.  I understand more then a million local people were kicked out of Beijing two years ago when China hosted the summer games.  Each country is more concerned about looking good on the world stage then they are about the negative financial impact the games may have on businesses and taxpayers.  Also ever since the massacre of the Israeli athletes at the Germany games security has to be tight and everything has been even worse since 9/11.  However I would like to talk about another side of the Olympics.

 

The principal at Nick’s school, Mrs. Deacan, (she was also the principal at his old school for part of the time Nick went there) has been involved with the Olympics for years.  Four years ago she set up a web cam connection to the school from the Olympics when she volunteered then and is doing that again this Olympics.  She was one of the people chosen to carry the torch in Kitchener December 27th.  Nick really wanted to go so he and I made our way to City Hall that day.  The place was packed, neither of us care for crowds.  Nick knew what time Mrs. Deacan was scheduled to carry the torch so we decided to leave City Hall and walk up King street to meet the runners.  That was a very good decision.  Very few people thought to line the streets further away from the centre of the entertainment.  About when we reached KW Hospital we could see the torch coming in the distance.  We started following the torch, and Nick got to see Mrs., Deacan take her turn.  We ran along King St, just feet from the torch, all the way back to City Hall.  Suddenly, and for the first time ever, I cared about the Olympic flame.  We felt proud waving our Canada flags as we ran down the centre of the street and also part of something bigger.  Back at City Hall we lost sight of the torch in the crowds and the noise was deafening, so we went on home.  I am very glad I took Nick.  I was already proud of the work Ryan is doing out in Whistler preparing the optic connections for the Olympics.  Ryan I hope you will write something of your experience when the time comes.  You will have a perspective that is unique and I am sure I’m not the only one who would like to read about your take on the games.

 

On a different topic – have any of you ever looked at kids and wished you could bottle all that energy?  Well someone has finally done it!  Remember those old merry-go-round type of playground equipment that was around back when we were young?  You would run beside it pushing the circle to spin it fast and then jump on for a ride.  They have been removed from parks around here, like so many other playground items we had fun with, because they can potentially cause children to fall.  Anyway a Utah engineer has developed equipment along those lines for Ghana, where many schools have no electricity.  The kids are now generating electricity for the school as they play on the equipment.  There is also enough electricity created to charge these special lanterns he also came up with so the children will have light at home to study. 

 

Congratulations on your 400th edition Doug, I’m hoping for many more.

 

Carol

 

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From Lorne

 

I sit, gaze at my blank computer screen, wondering what an 85 year old can say of interest to anyone. Then I lift my eyes a few inches [an ancient term used to describe measurement] [see Webster's New World Dictionary page 735] and see a hill white with snow, a spattering of maples and basswood, fallen limbs and stumps slowly returning to the earth that gave them life.

 

I see all this, trees climbed, cables strung between, reckless rides, firewood and maple syrup.

 

Still sitting before the now not so blank screen I peer through a window, with the help of friends and family, a house was once built around.

 

Today I see what is there today and without glasses. What is no longer, I see through memory with a glass in my hand.

 

Lorne

 

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North Nova News

 

Thanks Doug and Greg for continuously giving out every week a very interesting read for all of us.  400 issues is amazing!!!  I always find it interesting and informative.   I even bought a Toro snowblower on recommendation after hearing Greg and Doug's stories about what a great machine it is.  So today I get to use it one more time.  We had a good dumping of snow overnight.  Actually it will only be about the fourth time this winter.   There haven't been any real storms yet.  Even this snowfall is light and fluffy and I could drive through it but it is so much fun to blow it out of the way.  Our lane is fairly long and not paved so I wasn't sure if a snowblower would do the trick but the Toro is so powerful.  Now that we have a bed of snow to travel on there are no stones to deal with.

 

Ward has been using it to clear the sidewalks and patio around Dad's house.  He loves it so much he even makes paths through the woods.  Have you ever heard anyone so happy about a snow blower??  What it means for us is not paying a plow (who takes forever to show up) to come in and scrape up our driveway, pushing the big snow banks into our spruce trees breaking branches and complaining that our trees need to be cut down.  So it is wonderful to be in control of our own environment.

 

Sus

 

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A Note From the Gilmour’s

Just a few words to thank both Doug and Greg for their wonderful dedication of sharing their interesting perspectives for so long. Congratulations and thank you guys! Just to keep in touch I thought that I would bring you up to speed with what’s going on in the Gilmour household.

As some of you may know Barbara did retire in May after 35 years with the Region of Waterloo Traffic Department. She was a traffic systems analyst so when you hit one red light after another that was Barbara’s fault. Just kidding when side street actuated lights are used they throw off the whole system until it resets.

We are enjoying our time together and have shopped till we’ve dropped. My schedule has changed as to when I can play my drums; that is when Barbara’s out. We have been doing weight training and aerobics in the recroom. Barbara has three classes a week plus the three she does with me on the ball. She’s got into pretty good shape and could probably punch the hell out of me if I stepped out of line.

Our daughter Carrie was temping at the University of Waterloo since last May but two weeks ago she was told to apply for a full-time position and she got it. So she now has full benefits which are huge because we were still paying for this. There is a pension plan where they match dollar for dollar her contribution plus she is encouraged to take courses there with full 100% reimbursement. She has met a lot of interesting people in Systems Design Engineering and is learning to communicate with many different nationalities of people. Their driving habits have proven to be quite challenging for her as well.

Barbara and I are heading for the Florida Keys from Feb 6th till Feb 20th. We plan to take the Airporter the day before and stay overnight as we fly out quite early. And apparently we should be at Pearson around four hours early and we can now take on one carry-on bag. We have rented a car in Miami and will take the hour and a half drive down the Keys to Marathon which is about two-thirds of the way down. We have rented a condominium apt with a great view and a few swimming pools. We know Marathon quite well as this will be our 20th venture to the Keys. You are pretty well guaranteed great weather as  Key West is only 60 miles north of Cuba.

Carrie is joining us for the second week (luckily they have approved for her to have the time off). I have included a few links of pictures from two years ago as well as many years ago so some of you can familiarize yourself with the Florida Keys. We wish everyone a safe happy healthy 2010. Thanks again Doug and Greg.

Clyde, Barbara and Carrie

Turn on your speakers.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3warl_the-gilmour-christmas-vacation-2007_people

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x46tvv_carrie-barbara-gilmour-swim-with-th_people

 

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A Note From Barb & Russ

 

First of all, we want to thank Doug for Pioneering of the Squamidian. We’ve enjoyed reading the Great SQUA midian since it was only a little "Papoose" !  Many thanks also go out to Greg for his on-going, interesting contributions.

 

Those close to us know Barb is almost stone-deaf and legally blind with Macular Degeneration.  She doesn’t get anything out of TV, but can read large print with the aid of a magnifyer.  She looks forward to Saturdays so she can read the Squamidian, which I print for her. Living in a "box", it’s the only contact she has with the "Outside World". (her words).

 

We’ve made occasional contributions to the Squa., over the years, we can’t imagine how demanding it must be to send interesting and informative "stuff" week after week.  We only hope Doug and Greg are ready, willing and able to keep up their fine work.........We REALLY appreciate it Guys.

 

Barb and Russ

 

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Down Under

 

G'day everyone over there in Winter Wonderland! How's the weather up there?  Over here it went up to 36 C, but it's not too bad when you have air conditioning, and most of the day was overcast, so that made it less severe.

 

Oh, where to start...it's been so long since I last wrote...

 

I'm going to try to write while being distracted by Karl watching the telly in the same room. I'm just listening to the News, which is reminding us that next Tuesday is Australia Day. They are speculating about how many people will have a sickie on Monday, so they can have a long weekend off.

 

Not that this has any relevance to me or Karl, because I currently work for myself, and well, Karl has been on a sickie for about a year. The only one it might affect is Kris because he works Monday to Friday.

 

Hmmmm....it's Friday night, and I've been sitting on my computer all day already, putting together some promotional material, and working on lesson plans for my Art classes, which begin on February 2nd...

 

 This year I will be teaching more classes, and also doing pet portraits as well. All this came about after I did a business management course last year. I was already teaching one weekly class, and also painting for exhibitions, but now I will be doing more of that. The business course has been good, and I learned cool things, like how to write a business plan, and marketing...in other words, how to use both sides of my brain to make money, ha, ha.

 

Karl has been off work for about a year, after getting laid off from his last job. He decided to take time off, and live off his retirement fund for a while, to give him time  to recover from a painful spur in his foot. It is one of those things that can take a long time to heal, but fortunately isn't serious. So it's like he's had this taste of retirement. This also means he's got more time to read the Squamidian, and he wants me to pass on to Doug and Greg how much he enjoys reading your stories. Just so you don't get the wrong idea, Karl has been enjoying gardening, and as a result, we've had some fabulous orchids last year, and everything is looking nice and green right now. He's growing onions, tomatoes and herbs, and a few cucumbers. One of the bonuses of having him home is that he's also been cooking occasionally, and it turns out he is a really good cook. He even does the dishes sometimes. Next I'm going to train him to do the laundry, clean the toilets and floors, ha, ha...( he's going to be pissed when he reads this, lol )  The other side of the coin will be that I will have to be the breadwinner if he's going to be the househusband, ha, ha.

 

Meanwhile, it's been about 4 years since our daughter, Jennifer moved to Berlin. We miss her sometimes, but she is very good about keeping in contact. We've got Yahoo messenger, so she can tell when I'm online, and sometimes she pops up on the computer screen and we have a good old chat.  Lately Karl and I have been hearing a lot about Skype, and we've tried to talk Jennifer into getting a webcam, so we can actually see each other when we chat. She is not keen on the idea for some reason, but we'll keep after her, and I'm sure she'll eventually get one. I've heard it is just like talking face to face, or nearly. Anyway, the main thing is that she's happy. She is especially enjoying winter this year, since they've had some real snow for once. Usually they don't get much of the white stuff. No grand-kids yet for us, but I hear Ingmar (Jennifer's husband) is getting very clucky, especially since Jennifer's best friend, with whom they share a flat, has had a baby a few months ago. So you just never know...

 

Kris is doing ok, too. Although he is still living at home and has not been in a relationship for a whole year now, he is pretty happy just as he is. He is pretty easy going, and pays room and board, so we haven't seen any reason to kick him out of the nest. Well, maybe this year will also bring some changes for him...It's pretty amazing what can happen in a year...

 

Well, I'm pretty sure most of you would be bored if I started rambling on about art. I'm pretty sure most of you don't give a hoot about things like life drawing, where a bunch of us artist types get together every Saturday afternoon for two hours to draw a nude model, after all what's so exciting about drawing naked people? Ha, ha...gotcha!

 

Yeah, my life is all about art, and I'm passionate about it, just like Doug and Greg are passionate about riding their motorbikes. Maybe a couple of you might be curious and might want to check out my website, so here it is : http://karincharlotte.deviantart.com

or you can always google my name and it will take you there, which I recently discovered. Mind you there are quite a few other Karin Zellers out there as well. One is a real estate agent and one lives in Switzerland, and one is even on facebook.  I'm on facebook too, as some of you know. It's one of the great ways I keep in contact with family and friends. I go on there occasionally and see if there are any new photos of the little ones. Some of my nieces have babies now, or are about to have them, and they like to share photos of the little ones on facebook. Jackie also is on facebook, and so is Fern Glen...lots of nice photos and fond memories of my stay there.

 

Oh, I do tend to ramble on, but if you've read this far, it's too late for me to tell you, you don't have to read it, unless you want to, ha, ha...sorry, I'm kind of in a silly mood today. I'm actually in a really happy mood, and I swear I haven't even had anything to drink yet.

 

Anyway, that's about it for now. Congratulations to Doug and Greg for keeping the Squamidian going for so many issues! Pretty amazing really!  You must really enjoy it, otherwise you wouldn't do it. Perhaps you could cut back to writing something every two weeks, if weekly becomes a burden... I think I'll go and get a drink now and raise a glass in celebration of this milestone, and besides, I may as well get a head start on Australia day!

 

Hooroo from Karin & Karl !!!

 

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From Sue

 

Just thought I should finally make a contribution to the Squid as I no longer can say I’m too busy to write. Needless to say, I was shocked with the October 26th announcement that Audit would close effective that day.

 

Since that time I’ve been busy filling in forms and making numerous follow up calls to ensure paperwork was moving along and not caught up in the system. I am finally ending the follow-up process with only 3 items yet to be finalized and rumour has it that at least one will be done next week.

 

Both Doug and I have adjusted to me being home all the time. (we haven’t killed each other yet, and still go for a walk and then for a coffee together daily)

I have shredded endless amounts of paper as I cleaned out our file cabinet and attic. They say purging is good for the soul.

 

I am volunteering at the dog shelter as a dog walker. It’s a funny process as you apply as a volunteer then hand them your Driver’s license and car keys every time you walk the dog assigned. I guess they are afraid that you will steal their dog. To date, I have only walked 2 dogs. The first one was a young German Shepherd who was highly enthusiastic. Sheba could sit on command if a cookie was close by but was totally freaked whenever she saw another dog. She was a sweet little thing who was adopted just before Christmas by someone with an older dog as well. The pound has an extensive interview process including a test walk, a home visit etc.

 

Daisy is my current walking buddy. She is a St. Bernard/ Lab cross who is approximately 7 years old.  She is totally mellow with people and dogs alike. She and I walk for about an hour on the top of the dyke along the river and regularly see bald eagles and seals as well as the other walkers. I have attached a link to some pictures that Doug took when he joined us on one of our walks this week.

 

I am also cat sitting 2 cats for a neighbour while they vacation in Mexico. Lots of pets in my life these days.

 

I am looking forward to getting out in the backyard and finally having the time and energy to get the flower beds cleaned up and planted. My crocus have pushed thru, heather is turning purple, the rhubarb has red shoots which all suggest that spring is just around the corner.

 

Dog walking pictures: http://www.thedougsite.net/Pictures/House/dog%20walking.html

 

Until next time…… Sue, the wife

 

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From Ron & Maggie

 

Happy 400th to the Squamidians!

 

We don’t often offer much to the Squamidian …and we should because we have a lot of adventures.  Last year, some of our adventures included going to Mexico at the end of April right as the H1N1 virus became a WHO high alert.  While we lounged on the beaches of a 5-star resort, the planes from England and Canada were all cancelled to Cancun.  By the end of that week, the hotel was deserted, the service was excellent and not a soul was sick!  We were amazed when we flew home to Canada and landed in Toronto that no-one even questioned us about being in Mexico!

 

A month or two later at the beginning of June, I trundled off to England and spend a wonderful week with family and travelling down to Torquay – reportedly where the Fawlty Towers Hotel was. I was in England during a fabulous sunny heat wave and spend happy lazy days on patios or sitting/walking is beautiful gardens….and surprise even spending time on a beach. I drove narrow roads that made my hair stand on end…and really mastered the numerous roundabouts (they have very few stop lights!) 

 

After that, in July,  Ron and I made our way out west to visit three of our kids and (one my sons in Vancouver and his two daughters in Duncan).  My run of great summer weather stayed with me,  as we were there during that amazing 30 degree weather and really had a nice taste of summer while Ontarians were freezing and complaining about no sun.  No trip to the West is complete without a trip to Tofino, and Ron and I spent two days at our favourite resort, Middle Beach Lodge. 

 

You would think that was enough excitement for one year, but on August 26th our third grandchild was born (my official first to the older of my two sons!), so happy times have been spent going back and forth to Toronto to visit and babysit.  Not to be outdone, my other son, had a baby December 21st.   So, last week, Ron and I packed up again, I re-arranged all my teaching and we flew west to visit the new baby.  The weather was fabulously warm, as we saw deluges of rain that had to wash all that snow off the mountains.  (and we have all heard how they are trucking in snow for the Olympics!) I was so excited to see pink blossoms on a tree – and it was January 14th!   I now understand why our kids say they will never return to Ontario!  We were able to take a short trip over to the Island to see the Ron’s daughters, their husbands and kids!  We had one of those great family walks climbing up some mountain last Sunday afternoon!  It was mild, wet and everything smelled GREEN!  I was particularly fascinated by the Arbutus trees that (from what I understand) grow on the tops of mountains and have bark that is smoother than my grandbaby’s bottoms!

 

I think we are home now for a while after all that travelling, but look forward to spring and long hours in the garden and looking at the bush behind.  Last year, we were so fortunate as to have a deer with twin fawns that came in the evening to scrounge food from our bird feeders.  Who could want for more?  We are happy to be part of a Squamidian family and really enjoy the weekly reading.  Spending time with the Brubacher family for birthdays and gatherings has been a pleasure for Ron and I over the last 10 years.  We are blessed to have met all of you!  

 

Maggie and Ron

 

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THE 400TH EDITION OF THE SQUAMIDIAN

THE ONTARION REPORT

 

Hello everyone!

 

Welcome to the 400th edition of The Squamidian !

I’m not so sure that it’s the 400th edition of The Ontarion Report as well but at any rate, Doug and I have both been at this a long time and it seems like only yesterday that we started this venture! I think it was about three or four months after Doug and Sue moved out west that Doug asked me to write a column each week as well. It started out to be about what’s happening in and around KW area but somehow somewhere along the line I got sidetracked and have been wandering ever since! LOL! Oh well, as long as I had something to write about each week I felt that I was keeping up my end of the bargain. I think it’s almost eight years that Doug and Sue have been out in BC and it looks like they’ll be staying! I figured they might miss us enough that they’d be coming “HOME” after about 6 months but it seems they have taken a liking to our long distance relationship! Can’t say I blame them really they’re totally settled in out there and from what they’ve told and shown us it truly is a beautiful part of Canada to live in.

 

Me, I’m stickin’ with Ontario and the Kitchener/Waterloo area. I was born here in Kitchener and will likely never leave. After all, we’re in a city that wants to amalgamate with it’s neighbour to the north and tends to like to run a money losing German festival every year in the month of October so they can do it in the rain.  What more can a resident ask of it’s home town? LOL! It appears we are now in an area where we no longer get tons and tons of snow in the winter months and that’s fine with me too. Watch, now that I’ve said that it’ll snow like the dickens and revert back to those winters we had when we were kids in the 50’s. This latest thing about Kitchener Waterloo amalgamating will be a fun act to follow. They’ve talked about amalgamating the whole Region into one big city and Cambridge wanted nothing to do with it in the past when it’s been suggested. This time the business people behind the latest push are leaving Cambridge out of the idea all together. I’m not a big fan of the amalgamation simply because as a citizen of Kitchener I don’t want to be assuming the huge debt that Waterloo has taken on with the creation of RIM Park. Why should my taxes go towards paying down such a backbreaking mortgage when our city had nothing to do with creating it? Waterloo can keep it and when they’ve finished paying it off, then, they can talk to us about amalgamating. I know we’ve got three tiers of government in the region right now but I don’t think it’ll make any difference in my lifetime to turn the two cities into Kitcherloo! I say leave well enough alone!

 

We’ve been experiencing a very nice winter here in the Region and it’s continuing to be a sunny and warm January. Carole and I have just about everything set for our trip to Florida. Hopefully the states between here and Florida will be snowless as we make our drive south late next week. We’ve been watching the weather in Florida and the area we are heading to has been recovering from their cold snap. They have been sitting in the 60’s F for the past week and that’s fine with us. As long as it’s warmer and drier than what February is in Kitchener we’ll be happy. As you all know I have purchased a metal detector to play with on the beaches of Pensacola while we’re down there. I just heard from an acquaintance of mine that he’s got a buddy that just came back from Florida and was lucky enough to find a circa 1600 Spanish gold coin in the sands along the north shore of the Gulf of Mexico not far from where we’ll be staying. That’s amazing to say the least that such finds are still there for the taking. I’ve been doing a lot of reading about shipwrecks in that area and they are plentiful. It used to be a route of passage for the Spanish and Portuguese galleons when North America and the Caribbean areas were first discovered and being fought over. The ships laden with silver and gold from Mexico would follow the north shore of the Gulf of Mexico to make their way around the tip of Florida and out into the Atlantic Ocean on their voyage home. As well, they would do the same in a westerly direction loaded with gold coins from their own countries to pay for goods they were intending to purchase from Mexico. Many of these ships met with disaster during the violent storms they’d encounter along the southern US shoreline.

 

These shipwrecks are now the sources of great treasure on the seabed of the Gulf. Much of the cargo from the wrecks still washes up on the sands of Florida. What great adventures are conjured up in one’s mind when reading historical records of such actual disasters. Spanish and Italian records were kept at the time and their archives to this day are a source of information as to location and manifests of cargo carried by these great wooden ships. It’s one thing to dream of such happenings when you’re a kid but to be 61 years old and finding out that the stories of gold laden shipwrecks along an accessible shoreline do exist even today is truly amazing. I’m looking forward to wandering the sands of the Gulf with my detector and my imagination running wild! It would be the crowing glory of our trip to make a find of such magnitude as a gold coin from one of these ships that lay on the bottom of the Gulf. I’m sure I’ll be feeling like a kid again as I wander the sands of Pensacola Beach. At the risk of sounding a tad foolish I can only say it matters not what others think, only that I know I’ll enjoy the fantasies of such an adventure at least once in my lifetime. You never know what might pop up out of the sands and then it won’t seem so far fetched, will it?

That’s it for this week folks!

 

I’d just like to say congratulations and Thanks to Doug for having launched such a successful venture as The Squamidian and may it continue for many more issues! I’m grateful for having been included!

 

Thanks again for tuning in and I look forward to talking to you all again next week in The Ontarion report!

 

Bye for now… Greg

 

PS: Something To Think About>

There are over 1800 documented shipwrecks dotting the coastline of the State of Florida! 

 

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Have a good one..

the doug

http://www.thedougsite.net

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